INTERVIEW: DELMART "MIKE" VREELAND
the CIA Doesn't Want You to Know
Michael C. Ruppert
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April 4, 2002,
2:00 PM PST (FTW) -- If all of its dark alleys were explored,
the case of Delmart Edward Joseph "Mike" Vreeland
is one which is worthy of a book that would rival "War
and Peace." It is a case that has sparked zealous attacks
on FTW and me personally, and one which has seriously disturbed
many officials in Washington. These attacks are an indication
of the threat Vreeland poses to the credibility of the U.S.
government. Only one question of any relevance exists. How
was this man able to write details that described the events
of Sept. 11 while locked in a jail cell, more than a month
before the attacks occurred?
It matters little
to a housewife in Kansas if Mike Vreeland has a very confusing
criminal arrest record -- some of it very contradictory
and apparently fabricated -- for a variety of petty criminal
offenses including fraud. But it may be a matter of the
gravest importance for the same housewife if this man knew
accurate information about the attacks, tried to warn both
the U.S. and Canadian governments about them, and was ignored.
If a crazy man runs up to you on the street and says that
a house is on fire with children trapped inside, and you
smell smoke, who is the crazy one if you decide not to investigate?
The U.S. Navy
says that Vreeland, arrested in Canada on Dec. 6, 2000 and
currently fighting a U.S. extradition warrant, was discharged
for unsatisfactory performance after only four months of
service in 1986. But a growing pile of evidence, much of
it filed in court records and undisputed by Canadian or
U.S. authorities, establishes clearly that Vreeland was
exactly what he says he was -- a spy.
In three previous
stories, FTW has described how his military records, acknowledged
to be in excess of 1,200 pages, have been tampered with.
We have described how, in open court on a speakerphone,
his lawyers obtained direct confirmation from the Pentagon
that he was a Navy officer. We have also reported that,
as of March 14, all Canadian charges against Vreeland were
dismissed. He was released on bail and also granted temporary
refugee status by the Canadian government until his battle
to beat the U.S. extradition request is settled.
Canadian authorities have never disputed is that Vreeland
wrote his ominous and hastily scribbled warning a full month
before the attacks, and that the warning was sealed away
by his keepers, beyond his reach, until Sept. 14, three
days after the attacks.
If he loses
his extradition fight, both Vreeland and his attorneys believe
that his assassination will occur within days of his return
to U.S. soil.
is not a saint. Covert operatives are not made from such
material, and governments do not recruit or screen candidates
for saintly qualities. By his own admission in Canadian
court documents and in several conversations with FTW, Vreeland
says he has done bad things. He has been on probation for
petty offenses, and he has behaved the way covert operatives
behave in the real world -- not in Hollywood.
I have been
studying, interacting with, and talking to covert operatives
for more than 25 years. It is for that reason that I avoid
some of the questions being raised by dilettantes and neophyte
journalists who take all of the threads of Vreeland's stories
and run with them into a wilderness from which no professional
journalist could credibly emerge. Yes, I have listened to
him talk about so-called "red mercury," baseball-sized
atom bombs, and Star Wars weapons systems. Yes, I have heard
him talk about a great many things, and I believe that what
he told me was truthful according to his knowledge of events
and the documents he brought back from Moscow in December
Even by his
own statements, Vreeland, now 35, was a relatively low ranking
officer and an intelligence field operative. Never in the
history of covert operations has any government entrusted
field operatives with total strategic knowledge because
the knowledge held by those who make the plans is compartmentalized
and locked away. Perhaps 80 percent of all intelligence
work is disinformation, and governments know that their
field operatives risk capture, interrogation and torture.
Quite often field operatives are themselves fed disinformation
so that if they talk, they will still spread lies that serve
a larger strategic purpose. Quite often they carry documents
that are deliberately inaccurate and their capture is engineered
to give those documents credibility.
To the U.S.
government, Vreeland is totally expendable. And those who
run with every piece of information he has disclosed will
themselves be proven fools in a fool's game.
But one question
remains. And it is a question that now stands vindicated
by time and events. He knew something chillingly accurate
about the 9-11 attacks before they happened. And if he knew
something, based upon documents given to him by Russian
officials indicating U.S. knowledge, and if the U.S. government
went to great lengths to discredit him, rather than bring
him in from the cold -- then there is real meat on the plate
for journalists, the American government, and all of mankind.
I have asked
him 35 questions, and now you can read Mike Vreeland's answers
as he speaks for himself. The first 32 questions were jointly
submitted to both Vreeland and his attorney, Paul Slansky,
for review. The remaining three questions were asked after
the most recent hacking of FTW's website, which we believe
was perpetrated by the CIA. This made the publication of
this story an emergency and also made a statement about
the survival of a free press in America:
1. What part
of the U.S. government did you work for? Was it the CIA?
I worked for
U.S. Naval intelligence. What the CIA directs us to do is
their business, so we have no way of knowing whether we're
working for them or not.
2. Was your assignment
primarily connected to terrorism/oil?
Yes, on both issues, in part.
3. Why were you
in Moscow and Russia in the latter part of 2000?
I was sent
there by the U.S. government and the ONI [Office of Naval
Intelligence]. I got my orders between Sept. 4 and Sept.
departed for Russia on Sept. 7, 2000. I had orders to meet
him. Bastien was going to work at the Canadian embassy regarding
diagrams and blueprints of a weapons defense system. The
U.S. government had a direct influence on his mission. The
name of the defense system is SSST [Stealth Satellite System
Terminator]. There are five different individual and unique
defensive and strike capabilities of the system. The only
portion that I have publicly spoken on is one frame regarding
actual current orbiting satellites, which are not at this
time owned by the US government. On advice of counsel I
cannot discuss the other components.
component is a satellite system. Within the confines of
the system there are multiple, deployable space/orbital
EMP [Electromagnetic Pulse] missiles that are not aimed
at the ground. They are targeted at everyone else's satellites.
These would kill worldwide communications. The satellites
of some countries that are shielded with titanium are protected
from these weapons. The protected countries are Russia and
China, but U.S. satellites are vulnerable and Putin has
told Bush that the U.S. missile defense system doesn't work,
and that Bush knows it.
why I went to Russia was because I needed to meet with Bastien
and another individual from the Russian Ministry of Defense
named Oleg. The purpose was to get the Canadian diplomat
who had made contact with Oleg to get the book of designs
out of the ministry's R&D. That was done. We copied
the entire book. Then we took certain documents, and we
changed serious portions of the defense design so the program
wouldn't work. They know this now.
I was to pick up docs from other agents and bring them back.
4. You told Canadian
authorities that Bastien was murdered when?
I never told
them he was murdered. I wrote a letter to Bastien around
June of 2001 from jail. I sent it to CSIS [Canadian Security
and Intelligence Service] in Ottawa, to the director for
his eyes only. I had restructured the diagram to put it
back in its original state. But I never told anyone exactly
how to turn it on and how to build it. CSIS already knew
that Bastien was dead. He died six says after I was arrested
on Dec. 6. I was discharged on Dec. 9. He was killed on
RCMP [Royal Canadian Mounted Police] (Sgt. Mabe, Corporal
Kispol) to visit me in jail on Aug. 8, 2001,and they
advised me that he was dead. They didn't say he was murdered.
They told me he was dead. I told them that if Bastien was
dead, it was murder, and that they should get a toxicology
report. And I would tell you how it was done, and who did
5. When did they
finally admit that Bastien was murdered?
that I was correct in mid-January.
6. When did you
first learn details of the attacks that were to happen on
In the first
week of December 2000.
7. How did you
learn of the details?
was written in English by a U.S. agent, who had picked up
a copy of a document that had been sent to V. Putin by K.
Hussein, Saddam Hussein's son. This is what the translation
of the doc indicates. The Iraqis knew in June 2000 that
I was coming. I didn't get my orders until August. The letter
said that Bastien and Vreeland would be dealt with "in
a manner suitable to us." The letter specifically stated
on page two, "Our American official guarantees this."
8. Who put the
information on the attacks into the pouch, and what would
have been their motive for doing so?
I am not
allowed to answer that. It would jeopardize the lives of
active agents, and it would violate the National Security
Act of 1947.
9. After having
learned of the details of the impending attacks on the WTC
and the Pentagon, how long did you wait before trying to
notify Canadian and U.S. authorities of the information?
On Dec. 6,
2000 I told Canadian authorities to their face that I needed
to contact the Canadian military immediately. I wrote it
down. She [the Canadian official] was playing games, so
I wrote down that I was a Russian spy and a weapons systems
expert, and that I wanted to talk to them TODAY. I said
I was a Russian because figured it would get their attention.
The name they had on me was Mikhail Cristianov (Michael
Christian), because I had ID that used this name.
10. What was
turned blue, walked away, and I never saw them again.
11. How did
it make you feel?
I was pissed
off. It's on video [referring to a standard jail surveillance/security
12. Did the U.S.
and Canadian response lead you to reach any conclusions?
If so, what were they?
I was dealing with idiots who had no clue about what was
about to happen. It's been put to me that there were certain
officials who wanted the attacks to happen. No one ever
had any intention of building the system I was after because
it would have made the defense budget obsolete. One thing
that happened after 9-11 was that the Pentagon budgets soared.
13. Your written
warning contains the statement, "Let one happen, stop
the rest." Who was going to let one happen? Who was
going to stop the rest?
I can't comment
on the advice of counsel.
14. Does that
statement imply that the U.S. or some other intelligence
agency had achieved complete penetration of the terrorist
without question. Sometimes certain governments design,
create networks like Al Qaeda, which was really the government
in Afghanistan. Those entities create specific problems
at the creating government's direction.
15. Do you know
who had achieved this penetration?
comment on that.
16. Is it possible
that the terrorist cells were being "run" without
knowing by whom?
17. The most
common excuse people use to discredit you is that you have
prior arrests on fraud charges, and there are several press
stories linking you to alleged criminal activity. How do
you explain this?
Express charges are b.s., and Amex has stated on tape that
the specific charges in question were approved. They admit
that there was no fraud on this card. That card had been
issued to Lt. Delmart Michael Vreeland. The Amex people
admitted that the card was a U.S. Navy card.
accused me of identity theft. If anybody checked with the
police departments in the U.S., they would find that there
is not one police report form any individual in the U.S.
who has alleged that I have stolen any identities. There
is not a single identified victim anywhere. Three judges
in Canada have denied my requests to have discovery and
disclosure on these alleged charges.
stories that have circulated about my past are lies. Portions
of the stories alleging fraud and ID theft are lies. I have
threatened to sue these papers, and the stories have been
with ONI. Certain government officials -- politicians, brass,
and high ranking military -- have 11th Amendment privileges
and can't be sued. Another government agency has to go investigate
activities connected to weapons smuggling, organized crime
and drug trafficking. They use their power to break laws,
and we're not allowed to investigate them. Thus certain
parts of the U.S. government designed an entity called UID
(Unofficial Intelligence Investigation Division). It was
designed by Adm. Jeremy Michael Boorda, who allegedly committed
suicide. Boorda put this together prior to becoming CNO
[Chief of Naval Operations]. He was not a bad guy.
officers are sometimes put into positions where they are
given assignments to infiltrate specific organizations that
are powerful enough to check out a newcomer's background.
Page 335 of the Charter Application in Canadian Court shows
a copy of orders from Southern Command. These orders are
dated April 18, 2000, concerning an anti-drug operation
we were mounting. At approximately the same time the media
released widespread stories that I was a wanted criminal.
This was a means of providing cover and credibility for
me with the people I was infiltrating.
18. How many
times have you been arrested on criminal charges?
Some of this I did, like a DUI charge in New York. I had
been at the UN, and I had definitely been drinking.
19. How many
times have you been convicted?
I have never
been legally convicted of any criminal, felony activity
anywhere. The drunk driving charge is still pending, and
I have admitted in open court that I did it.
20. The Michigan
warrant for credit card fraud is based upon the use of your
own credit card. How do you explain this?
It is a setup.
21. Were your
credit cards authorized or facilitated by the U.S. Navy
or any part of the U.S. government?
22. Could the
U.S. government or any of its intelligence agencies have
"inserted" the charges through state and local
23. You were
in custody in New York on the date the alleged Michigan
offense took place. What was the charge, and what was the
disposition of that case?
the DUI charge.
24. Was working
with organized crime families a part of your duties with
25. Were any
of the organized crime families in Michigan?
26. For what
reason were you working with organized crime?
I was under
orders to do so 90 percent of the time. Organized crime
supplies the weapons and drugs that go to the people we
27. Are you afraid
that you will be killed if you are extradited to the U.S.?
I have spoken out.
28. Can you explain
why the Canadian courts will not allow your attorneys to
introduce evidence that verifies your position with the
Canadians are totally subservient to U.S. intelligence interests.
They're afraid of Uncle Sam. It would also prove that CSIS
covered up Marc Bastien's death, and that there was a cover-up
involving a member of a major drug organization that had
planned assassinations against prominent Canadians. In fact,
one individual was found dead in a vat of acid. He was a
29. What do
I want my
uniform back, my back pay at $4,210.90 a month and my honor.
I want President Bush to give me a full and complete pardon
and the amnesty of the U.S. government. I am owed that.
I want Bush personally to know everything that I know, and
what kind of threats there are against the U.S.
going to happen, so I am now seeking permanent refugee status
in Canada and the protection of the United Nations.
30. What do you
think will happen next in your case?
I don't know.
My attorney is in court seeking a postponement of the extradition
case because the Canadian government will not allow me to
subpoena very important U.S. witnesses from the Pentagon
and other places.
31. Is the war
on terrorism about something other than what the people
of the world are being told?
32. What do you
think will happen next in the war on terror?
someone's going to have to tell the truth. Once those people
are dealt with according to law, there will be no more false
terror spread across the globe.
33. You have
recently had dealings with an American journalist named
Rick Wiles. What is your opinion of Wiles and what was your
of Wiles is that he is a psychopath, who will print anything
that will make him money. My experience with him was that
I had private conversations with him that he recorded, not
telling me he was going to post them on the Internet and
sell them to the world. Then once I contacted him and told
him that he was not to do that, he said he would take them
down right now. Instead of taking them down he placed a
bigger ad. He made a bigger ad!
In my opinion
he is neither honorable nor professional. He has placed
my story right next to a story about someone who talked
to aliens 25 years ago. Yeah, that's right where I want
my story to be, right next to some bozo who talks to aliens.
So now he's
selling this phony exclusive interview with me for $20 and
he's making all the money. He never had my permission to
34. You have
recently had dealings with an American journalist named
J.R. Nyquist. What is you opinion of Nyquist and what was
get me started. My opinion: I think he might be working
for the government. I did not know that he was writing a
story about me. He asked me some questions. I answered some
questions. I recorded it, and then he went off on a wild
tangent about psychological crap, and I didn't even read
the whole story I was so mad.
He went off
about the Russians, and it's all b.s. He sent me this fax
about you saying that Ruppert was not my friend. He was
saying that the Russians had me boxed in. The truth is,
the American government is boxing me in. He's full of shit.
35. Are all of
these statements on-the-record?